A 20-minute listen.

In this latest Octo Outside episode, LIFT’s Ella Davies met with Sam Shaw. She told her how as one of the youngest female Fellows of the PFS she ‘stood out like a sore thumb’ at her graduation ceremony but acknowledges the huge strides the sector has been making towards better gender balance, shares her passion for making a difference to people’s lives and talks about the importance of finding a firm whose ethics match your own.

LIFT co-founder Joel Adams also spoke to Sam about training future generations and ‘growing your own talent pool’, listen here.